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Culture: Let’s get our act together, fellas



 

Today, on the Word on Fire blog, contributor Dave Brenner responds to a recent article about women outpacing men in education and the workplace, and urges his male contemporaries to "think different" when it comes to responsibilities to family, work and spirituality.

CNN posted an article last Wednesday called, 
“Why Men are in Trouble”  which made many claims, the most bold being, “For the first time in history, women are better educated, more ambitious and arguably more successful than men.” The statistics are clear—women now surpass men almost 3:2 in college degrees and their pay is rising far more rapidly. 
 
Neither the CNN article nor this blog is a tired male vs. female debate, though. Those statistics are not a problem by themselves—it’s a good thing that women have more opportunities and are striving to fulfill their calling in life. The issue is not that women are catching up but that men are falling behind.  Let me summarize the facts briefly: More than ever before, men go to church less, connect less with their families, and have less ambition at work and in finding work. 
 
We’re left with an image of a pack of large boys that are content to play video games, hang out with girls with the hope of hooking up, and avoid as much adult responsibility as possible. Hollywood gets this. They’re creating a rapidly growing genre of movies about the man-child: “Wedding Crashers,” “Old School,” “The Hangover,“ anything starring Seth Rogan, etc… We’re drifters without a cause. 
 
Guys —what’s happening? 
 
To further understand I began wondering which of these statistics about marriage, unemployment and church attendance are causing our decline, and which ones are symptoms of our decline. Do we lose hope and stop going to church because we’re unemployed OR do we stop going to church, which creates less channeled energy into work and relationships? It’s not an easy question to answer. Work, marriage and faith have always been mutually reinforcing elements.   
 
I think the underlying factor is far more insidious than any of these single components. I wish we could fix the problem through focused efforts on driving church attendance or employment. At the most basic level, we’ve lost our way. 
 
The big news story from the week, Steve Jobs’ death, provides an interesting juxtaposition to the malaise of men. What gives him the audacity to tell Apple, “We’re here to make a dent in the universe,” while most guys shirk challenges? The answer, I think, is that he had a sense of purpose and passion.    
 
There’s the answer for men, especially Christian men: purpose and passion. 
 
Purpose comes from a sense of calling, a sense that you were created to fulfill a unique mission that no one else can do. This calling is not an imposition, though it may appear that way, but a gift to be discovered. It comes from God but is already present in who you are. Thomas Merton had an acute sense of this: “Discovering vocation does not mean scrambling toward some prize just beyond my reach but accepting the treasure of true self I already possess. Vocation does not come from a voice ‘out there’ calling me to be something I am not. It comes from a voice ‘in here’ calling me to be the person I was born to be, to fulfill the original selfhood given me at birth by God.”
 
Guys – when we choose to trust that we were created for a purpose, our decisions take on higher meaning. Everything we do, in matters small and big, lead us to or from the reason we were created.       
 
Passion is created and sustained when you choose to find and fulfill your calling above all else. While one can easily create passion for pleasure, power, honor or wealth, that passion can neither be fulfilled nor sustained.  But, if you’re in the game of following Christ through your calling, your passion is amplified. You become more truly yourself. “The glory of God is man fully alive,” says St Irenaeus. If you let yourself be a fool for Christ as St Francis was, you will literally change the world. Even Steve Jobs had the intuition that sustained passion and was an unbridled force for good. If you flex the imagination, you can think that one of his most famous TV ads was directed at us: “While some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who do.”     
 
Men – when we choose to find and fulfill our calling, we will be filled with passion that will change the world. Let’s make it happen. 

Dave Brenner is a contributor to the Word on Fire blog and is a seminarian for the Archdiocese of Chicago.
 
 
Posted: 10/11/2011 6:00:00 AM by Word On Fire | with 22 comments
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Kerry
I think your pick of the typical Seth Rogan character as a symbol of the "man-child" phenomenon is perfect. My colleagues and I have noticed over the past few years that for the most part we'd much rather have young women than young men in our philosophy classes. The women take the enterprise more seriously and work harder at it. The men are either genuinely uninterested in the topic and unable to master it, or they pretend to be too cool or too lazy to be bothered. This is a curious reversal of gender roles. A few years ago, some capable women downplayed their abilities in the classroom because "smart girls" weren't attractive to men. Now some college-age men are playing up the man-child image lest they have to accept grownup responsibilities. Oy!
10/11/2011 6:14:23 AM
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Martin
''Those statistics are not a problem by themselves—it’s a good thing that women have more opportunities and are striving to fulfill their calling in life. The issue is not that women are catching up but that men are falling behind. ''

That is precisely the issue: women are replacing men. Women are taking men's traditional jobs, as well as taking the jobs that are left over because they are out-competing men and are often favoured for positions.

Men no longer feel of any worth, they have been replaced.

I am unemployed, and I often think ''What would happen if all the women who are currently employed in good jobs were sacked? Would there then be a job for me? Yup.

The issue is that women have taken over and men don't know what to do about it.

Women are more confident and more aggressive than men are in many cases.

I remember attending a graduate assessment for a graduate job scheme. The young women there were so aggressive and so competitive that they really did leave the men in the shadows.

As well as men being disillusioned, women no longer know who or what they are: they are often acting like 'lads' and are dispensing with any authentic femininity.

Until we see a restoration of the natural order, with women in the home, and men in the workplace, we'll continue to see this dysfunction, and there will be lots of aimless and disillusioned young men. With that comes many dangers.
10/11/2011 7:24:34 AM
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Lindsay
It's interesting that as women become more independent, men aren't rising to meet the challenge -- they're shrinking in the face of female empowerment. Now more than ever is when we need real men -- the ones described in Dave's post -- men who have a purpose and a passion, and who are strong enough to support the purposes and passions of the women in their lives, too.

There's another side to this story that I haven't really seen explored -- and that's how women are affected by this man-child trend. It's important to find a mate who shares your values and your outlook, as well as who is supportive and encouraging -- but above everything else, it's important to find a partner. I've seen only a handful of my friends find those qualities in their husbands, while the rest of us continue searching for someone in a sea of men who seem incapable of being a true partner because of a prolonged adolescence.

And it's not that women don't want to fill a traditional role in their families -- many of my friends who would like to settle down and be housewives are unable to do so, because the men they're finding aren't able to provide the financial and emotional support they need. So, rather than sit and wait, they're forging their own way while our male counterparts grow up a bit.

I don't think -- as Martin suggests -- that all men need is for women to retire from the workforce and go back home. Men are better and more capable than that. However, just like women have adapted to new norms, men need to step up and do the same.
10/11/2011 8:46:42 AM
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Brian A Cook
Did Martin call for removing women from public life? This is exactly the kind of mindless traditionalism that repulses people, who often mistakenly think that it comes straight from the Church. Haven't the recent Popes called on societies to welcome women's gifts in public life? Haven't they asked for forgiveness on behalf of Catholics who silenced women? Furthermore, the Taliban is infamous for its "restoration of the natural order".
10/11/2011 8:49:57 AM
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Richard
Wel spoken. This might be interesting for the artofmanliness.com (I'm not affiliated with them, just to be clear).
10/11/2011 10:43:30 AM
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Josh
I work as a Catholic therapist and my practice is exclusively with teenage guys and adult men. I see and work with this "dysfunctional adolescent" lifestyle all the time. Most of them time it is a cover for anxiety and lack of a meaningful vision. Women working successfully contributes to this because that further triggers the "shut down" defense mechanism of not caring and not trying so they don't fail or look bad. However, the solution here isn't for women to go home and cook. Even if they did, we would just go to the state of adolescent men having fun "playing at being men" with their power positions and self-worth coming from the pay-check while they neglect the relational and emotional contributions of their families, and sleep around with loose women at work and on the road. We need men who have a deeper sense of of self and purpose than earning a paycheck or beating out women at work. We need men who can look into their hearts and know they have something to contribute to their families, society, and God. Men are needed to protect their families emotionally with their love and presence, to lead in their holiness and valuing of justice and clear-thinking, to provide safety and security for others in a world of crude, vulgar, and predatory sexuality and treatment of women and peers. We need men to protect people spiritually with their close relationships. Almost every person I work with (who has not gone through prior healing) has the same FEELING in their relationship with God as they did/do with their Father (and somewhat with mother). A man's ability to closely bond and wisely guide his children establishes the natural foundation upon which the grace of a personal relationship with Christ is built. We don't need women to step down, we need men to step up. Women need to stop man-bashing and INVITE men to step up to the where they are needed. We need to develop a cultural LOVE for who men SHOULD be if they become who they are.
10/11/2011 10:57:13 AM
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Rich
Martin - I'm curious whether you think it's possible for both men & women to thrive. Does it have to be zero-sum game that whatever women gain, men lose?
10/11/2011 11:33:52 AM
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Lisa
I would also like to point out that many men, after getting married and having children, have left their wives, thus requiring them to find jobs to support children as single moms. It is a travesty what has happened to our society that marriages and families are disposible. I am blessed to be married to a strong Catholic man who sets the expectations for our family that faith is first in our lives. I wish all women could be as blessed as I am to find a mature faith-filled man.
10/11/2011 11:43:12 AM
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David Meyer
''Those statistics are not a problem by themselves—it’s a good thing that women have more opportunities and are striving to fulfill their calling in life. The issue is not that women are catching up but that men are falling behind. ''

I disagree and I think you have truly missed the point. And missed it badly. When women are prominent in any important endeavor, they take it over completely, leaving men in their dust. The men will invariably turn into Seth Rogan. This is at the heart of Eve's curse to "desire her husband". She desires the authority position proper to men. When women en masse become players in the workforce or acedemics, it will never be 50/50. The women will win, and men will drop out.

For me it is frustrating to see so many women at my workplace taking jobs/pay away from fathers trying to support our families who are unemployed. And for what? An extra car to be able to go to work in your pant-suit?

The vast majority of these women by and large should be at home fulfilling their role as wife and mother. Raising godly children to conquer the world for Christ is the most important job in the world! Yet many women throw that chance away to collect a paycheck doing things they have no business doing. Their job is to nurture children and being a HELPER to their husbands, not taking on his role.

There can be no parity.

There can be no 50/50 of men/women in the workplace and university. If women try to fill mens roles, then the curse of Eve takes effect and God will give them over to their arrogation. The result is that men WILL become disillusioned and WILL give up. Which is exactly what is happening. Make fun of them all day, but unless we call our women back to their proper role, dont expect men to take back theirs.

What we men need to do is yell this truth from the rooftops. Get our women back in the home and out of the workforce, and take charge of society again. Untill we reasert our role as the "garden tamers" God created men to be, women will continue to usurp our birthright, and to give up theirs at the same time. I the end, both sexes will not be fulfilled, and find only frustration. This is not sexist people, just true.
10/11/2011 1:03:00 PM
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Jim
I have been made irrelevant by feminism; and, minimally incapable of being a necessary means to motherhood.

I been framed into a competition for status and wealth as a way to be successful for respect from other guys, and potential for love from women. Friendship with men is nearly impossible due to such competition, and an anxiety about perceptions of homosexualized friendships.

I feel lost and lonely between the worlds of ESPN and Oprah. The Church is an absentminded void.

Some of my better friendships have been with women, since there has been a lack of connection with men beyond the acquaintances with sports. But once those guys move off with girlfriends and wives, I feel abandoned and alone- seeking the emotional intimacy with women, who seem to be more and more like guys. Dating has been impossible without rules and boundaries to understand. And women are too wounded and embittered by past relationships to avoid anything in depth beyond "no strings" and "friends with benefits". All of this is dissatisfying aversion for me. I could not help feel confused and frustrated.

My opinion is that male friendships are lacking in emotional and morale support. A guy cannot rely soley on intimacy from women, whether a girlfriend, wife nor friends, since most women seem to aspire to be like a man. Why would women want to be like a man, when men cannot even be enabled to do so. Something is wrong with masculinity as practiced and understood.

Pope John Paul II's Theology of Body has an insight into man made in the image and likeness of God, male and female reflecting the Trinity. There is a complementarity rather than a competition. Masculinity cannot stand alone like a detached providential deism. Masculinity and femininty somehow have to be mutually reinforcing to be authentic in relation to each other, rather than everyone trying to "Man up" each other.
10/11/2011 1:38:49 PM
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Brian A Cook
I'm getting very tired of the scapegoating feminism and the calls for men to take control that I see on Catholic websites. Because of comments like those, I am finding it harder and harder to recommend Catholic websites to my friends. I felt a strong need to challenge such comments. Nonetheless, I often wonder whether my efforts are futile.

Feminism is a response to the silencing of women that has historically happened and still happens to some respects. The earliest feminists have, for the most part, simply asked to take part in public life. Feminists have allowed women to take part in public life. Furthermore, recent Popes have complimented aspects of feminism. That's the truth that I choose to yell from the rooftops.

I'm beginning to think that I should stop relying on this website for insight just like I've stopped relying on many others.
10/11/2011 3:11:57 PM
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Josh
David, I disgree strongly. My mom stayed at home, all of my 3 married sisters stay at home (after numerous years of working prior to motherhood) and my wife now stays at home (after many years working). I think it is critical for the attachment and bonding in a child's life that they have lots of time with their parents. However, your attitude seems to be a way overeaction and misguided bitterness and helplessness. I disagree that women will naturally dominate in things they care about (how disordered that thinking is- what about the home- they care about that but they do not dominate it when it is a healthy marriage). Your post is a perfect example of male weakeness being turned into an aggressive attack on women. Men need to be healthier emotionally and in their work to get positions. They need to have a healthy relational acumen with women; not helpless to their feminity or sexuality- or fearful of it. I actually have found in my life that most women have a great heart to serve and, if treated with caring and respect, work well with men who are healthfully masculine. I agree with Jim's comments about men in our culture not doing well at building emotional depth in their relationships with other men. I urge you Jim to not give into victimization, but make a difference in striving to find men who want and are open to a gradual deepening of their male relationships and take the lead. Also, some of feminism is good, but it does have a lot of bad fruit- especially when women get to a place in their lives where they are striving to live like bad men (aggression, calousness, greed, lust). A true empowering and equalization of women in families and society does not threaten true manhood- but it does threaten posers of manhood: overly weak men and overly detached and uncaring men. The good women of today will not settle for a man who falls short of being emotionally open and healthy and has passion and drive in his work, with a healthy spiritual life. It is AMAZING how many great Catholic women in their mid20s and 30s I know with great jobs, great faith lives, great friends, etc... who just cannot find a healthy Catholic guy to even DATE. Either they don't have much of a job or drive, or no social skills, or not much faith, or emotionally unable to support, etc... Healthy women are suffering the sorrow of not having a life companion because we have failed largely at raising good men. Don't point the finger at women men, they are not responsible for your drive at work, your faith, your emotional depth, etc...
10/11/2011 3:38:12 PM
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Josh
Brian,

I understand your position. I think that the individuals operating the website share your views largely. When you post things and people comment you are going to get lots of opinions. It is part of working out truth is finding out where and how each one of us is meant to spread it.
10/11/2011 3:41:25 PM
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Sandi
I am going to print this out for my sons. Thanks for a great article!
10/11/2011 5:45:18 PM
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Tyler
Mr. Brenner

Let me begin by saying thanks for the article and the encouragement.

I have been thinking about this subject for a long while. I feel I have made some headway but I think I still have a long way to go in order to have the problem completely covered. I am also sure there are many interesting sociological studies on this topic.

Currently, I believe the decline in male ambition is associated with the decline in society's estimation of the worth of fatherhood. I will not blame feminism, but for whatever reason fatherhood and family life have been completely dismantled as a vocation for men in our society. Women's complete and solitary dictatorship over reproduction of the human species has caused men to no longer trust women or value that relationship and rightly so. Women now can have abortions without telling their partners. This licence granted to women does not breed trust in a relationship. Indeed, smart men should not date women who are on the pill, pro-choice, or contracept. Why should a man want to get married, or commit to a woman, when the society he lives in tells women that they no longer have to commit to the man or to the children she is supposed to give birth to. Indeed society tells our women that they are allowed to kill our children. Perhaps linking abortion to the problem of manhood is too obvious and to awful for everyone to acknowledge. For some men, the ability to abort children has only intensified their vocation to irresponsibility. Abortion, the pill and the contraceptive mentality has permitted some men to live the distopian male dream of inconsequential relationships: every man can now be an irresponsible rock star.

Women unfortunately exacerbate this problem by still having sex with these men. Easy women take away the man's motivation to win them. Simply put men must learn to live chaste lives and demand that the women they date also to live chaste lives. Once again the problem is solved by following Church teaching.
It appears that Jesus guy was on to something. I think he had stuff to teach us.
10/11/2011 10:09:06 PM
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Tyler
Josh and Brian,

You are one disaster away from David.

I don't think you honest about your own experiences. There are some admissions in your posts like when Josh admonishes men to take the lead....but overall you both seem to march to the beat of the women's movement, failing to not some inherent evils within the feminist movement. As a Catholic or Christian one should not tolerate or make light of or fail to identify the evils promoted by popular feminism. Men should not be afraid to critique a woman, her ideas, or the movements she creates. To fail to do so would be patronizing.
10/11/2011 10:24:54 PM
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David
I think one aspect of the question has been overlooked--contraception.

Celibacy requires discipline. Fatherhood requires responsibility. Contraception avoids both and thus promotes the "man-child." In this sense I think that feminism, while not solely responsible, is definitely "on the hook," because feminists have embraced and promoted the contraceptive mentality to make having a career easier for women.

But men have failed too. After all, we did not have to embrace contraception because the feminists did. We did it simply because it was easier.
10/11/2011 10:35:55 PM
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Liz
And herein lies the problem. When an article asking men to have passion and purpose in their lives becomes a finger-pointing exercise about how women are to blame...well, I just don't know how to respond to that at all.

All I can do is point everyone to Blessed John Paul II's Letter to Women, particularly this part, "Thank you, women who work! You are present and active in every area of life-social, economic, cultural, artistic and political. In this way you make an indispensable contribution to the growth of a culture which unites reason and feeling, to a model of life ever open to the sense of "mystery", to the establishment of economic and political structures ever more worthy of humanity."

Here's a link to the entire letter. http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_let_29061995_women_en.html

None of us will never find our life's passion and purpose by removing it from others. We will only find it by submitting to the plan God has for each and every one of us.
10/12/2011 6:16:10 AM
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Kerry
I have to say, some of the responses here astound me. Men rendered irrelevant by feminism? Career-hungry women responsible for promiscuity? Women in the workplace destroying friendships between males? Women taking over and thereby disillusioning and disempowering men?

Can you hear yourselves!? I grew up in the South, and I distinctly remember similar remarks after the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act--except that it was whites insisting that blacks were rendering them irrelevant, that over-sexed blacks soon would be molesting white women, that equal opportunity at the workplace for blacks would rob whites of jobs, etc. etc. Lots of the whites saying these things also appealed to what they took to be Christian doctrine. But it was unconvincing then and its unconvincing now. To claim that whites in this country are disempowered by blacks, or that men are disempowered by women, is absurd. Being white and male is still the default position, the standard by which all other races and genders are evaluated. It's still very much a white man's world. And to claim that any change in that status is wrong because it somehow violates the laws of the Church or the will of God is self-pitying sophistry.
10/12/2011 6:47:53 AM
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David Meyer
Josh,

"...My mom stayed at home, all of my 3 married sisters stay at home (after numerous years of working prior to motherhood) and my wife now stays at home (after many years working)."

"your attitude seems to be a way overeaction and misguided bitterness and helplessness."



No. My attitude is a proportional response to a cultural colapse. Just as strong words against "pro-abortion" folks who want to be "moderate" on the issue is good, so strong language about feminism seeping into and destroying the church is good.

Great. But this should be the exception to the rule. If you think this is a normal thing, that wives go out into the world and bring home a paycheck, then you have bought the error of feminism to some degree.

"I disagree that women will naturally dominate in things they care about..."

Go ahead and disagree, but the statistics prove you wrong. Women are dominating, men are disengaging. That is the fact.

"(how disordered that thinking is- what about the home- they care about that but they do not dominate it when it is a healthy marriage)."

They DO dominate the home as well, as it should be. It is a healthy domination in a good marriage of course, but the home is her world, her garden. He was created to be her husbands helper, just like Eve was. This is the role wives are called to. Period. The fact that men and women have often disparaged that role or seen it as somehow "less" than a mans role does not justify throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
You said I am making an "aggressive attack on women", but that is untrue. What I am advocating is LIFTING UP women AND men by promoting the roles we were created for. Only then will we be happy. BTW, I am a happily married father of 5, a recent convert from Protestantism, and my wife LED me into this thinking years ago when she refused to go to work. As protestants, we became convinced that in most normal situations, women should not be in the workplace. It should be an exeption. It currently is ANYTHING BUT and exception. To ignore ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY where wives were helpers at home to their husbands, and claim that the current situation of female domination of the working world is just a neutral event, is Orwelian. And a passive- "aggresive attack."
10/12/2011 7:09:03 AM
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Sergio
I think though there is truth to this, I think appearances are what are being in question. The fact that TV's number one consumer is women, and the amount of trash that is appearing on the television lately, doesn't exactly place women in a positive limelight, but rather ambitious in a superficial society.

I had completely different experiences in college, the men mostly dominated the classroom in my philosophy classes, and in the philosophy club men out number women 10/1. I think keeping busy doesn't mean responsible. My female philosophy professors all agreed they were rare, and that it was difficult to find a woman who would take a philosophical subject seriously.

Men are lost because as heads of the house hold they are seeing the direction we are heading as not worth it. So the ones without any depth seem to give symptoms of depression.

I can't imagine how women lining up by the masses to go buy a vampire novel, or chase the latest sensation male is any more mature.

This is a large over simplification and generalization of a huge problem, and women are going to be the most difficult to convince, because superficially it seems they are being productive.

The absense of the male in the family is the reality that has existed for quite sometime. The spoiled children of the 1960's did not come together in reponsibility, many of them were frustrated from the absense of Dad in their lives that was masked by the superficial exterior of the good ol' 1950's.

Let's wake up, Catholics don't esteem education as the highest steeple. That is a Marxist concept to believe that education liberates us. It has taken 20 years for the Church to respond properly with Catholicism on National Television. It should have already done this when Cosmos aired the T.V.

I am not talking about EWTN, I am talking about quality program. Programs that catch the attention of even young adults,that is people in formation.
10/12/2011 8:08:08 AM
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