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Fr. Barron & Dr. Scott Hahn: New Apologetics



 

Father Barron and Dr. Scott Hahn discuss the mission of the Church in terms of the New Apologetics.
Posted: 6/7/2010 6:00:00 AM by Word On Fire | with 11 comments
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Kerry
I quite like this conversation about apologetics. Like Father Barron, I distinctly remember the day when I was embarrassed by any mention of apologetics. My reasons for disliking the old style still remain: its smugness, simplicity, and occasional arrogance. But the new style advocated here, in which a greater emphasis is placed on living and modeling the faith, seems right. It reminds me of the Franciscan rule of thumb: Preach the gospel at all times. Use words when necessary.
6/7/2010 10:04:38 AM
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Hugh
Keeping in mind that St. Francis may never have spoken that catchy quotation (it was only credited to him centuries after his death), I think Catholic Christians need to share their faith with the conviction that it is incredibly good news. We need to be unashamed of the Gospel of Christ and not afraid to proclaim it. I have no doubt that words will be very necessary.
6/7/2010 1:04:51 PM
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wayne
Finding new ways to explain away the undefensable theology of the CC. I guess thats what they have to do every now and then
6/7/2010 6:47:19 PM
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michael jaffray king
I am a very amateur apologist. What I manage to put across to my Protestant friends is often not too friendly. The whole idea of making friends is obviously so vitally important but like in my case can in the excitement get overlooked. This was a very timely reminder for me. Yesterday I received an email from an extract of Bishop Fulton Sheen's Mary and the Muslims. My evangelical friends on my mailing list have little good to say about the Muslims who are rapidly expanding in Europe through the birth canal. Now I can see how devotion to Mary can really help them to come to Christ. I have new hope for the Muslims as Mary will be the means for their eventually seeing that she is the Mother of God and not just of a Prophet. God bless Scott Hahn and Father Robert Barron, we are surely blessed to have people of this calibre showing us the way to successful apologetics.
6/7/2010 10:46:24 PM
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Jim Mazzarelli
To Wayne: Why bother to comment if you're not going to back up your assertions. And if you're going to use the standard Biblical passages to do so (the word is 'indefensible' by the way), then you should start by asking yourself - who compiled the Bible in the first place, and - what existed before the New Testament was actually pulled together? The answers are - the Catholic Church and Tradition. If you're going to attack the Church, at least do it from an educated viewpoint. In the process, you may actually find yourself converting, the way Dr. Scott Hahn did.
6/8/2010 2:35:18 AM
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Wendy P
To Wayne: Two questions.
(1) Is this comment meant to be supportive, i.e. in agreement with the ideas presented? I don't seem to be able to understand you.
(2) To what indefensible theology do you refer? I'd like some specific examples.
Thanks,
Wendy
6/8/2010 4:09:45 PM
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Kerry Walters
Hugh--

Well said. I think you're absolutely right that words "will be very necessary" in the new apologetics. My only point is that words alone have never been enough.

That, I take it, is the intuition behind Chapter XVII of the 1221 Franciscan Rule: "Let all the brothers preach by their deeds," and Tertullian's "See how these Christians love one another!" A petition in the Book of Common Prayer puts it beautifully, I think: "that with truly thankful hearts we may show forth your praise, not only with our lips, but in our lives."

Part of the problem with much of the old-style apologetics was an arid didacticism that often fell flat. Rational justifications of the faith are important, but in most cases they don't convert so much as confirm. Living in such a way as to model Christ's words is, I think, initially much more effective. It encourages receptivity to the faith in people who would turn off in an instant if they heard a Bible verse quoted to them.
6/9/2010 5:39:01 AM
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michael jaffray king
Thank the Lord for the good old Roman Catholic BOTH AND and not the divisive either, or. Words are very important in fact extremely important because when they are written down they last much longer than the good example. That is not to say that the good example is not necessary, of course it is but writing down is a process which can last for 1000s of years.
Just trying to put the other point of view, probably because my example is nothing to write home about.
6/9/2010 10:48:32 AM
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Christina
I think the main thing that bothers people about the "preach the gospel always, when necessary use words" quote is that it often comes across as "shush". A better way to word it perhaps would be "Preach the Gospel ALWAYS, in action as well as words."

St Francis certainly lived this; in action he lived the gospel and in words he preached to everyone (he'd even preach to the animals when no people were to be found).
6/10/2010 10:54:18 AM
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michael jaffray king
Christina! God bless you!!! That was so well put.
I loved the bit of Saint Francis preaching to the animals.
6/10/2010 1:13:00 PM
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Bible Lesson Plans
This is exactly how I relate to people who have polar opposite ideas on religion than I do. I become there friend, then slowly bring up subjects that we differ on. It's easy to bring up such controversial subjects when you're talking with friends, than acquaintances. In normal cir*****stances, people that don't know you hear you talk a bout religion, they immediately become defensive. Unless of course they happen to believe what you believe as well. This is hardly the case in my experiences.
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