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August 2010 > Culture: Anne Rice and the Mystical Body of Jesus
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Culture: Anne Rice and the Mystical Body of Jesus



 
Last week, Anne Rice, a popular gothic and religious novelist and revert to the Faith, announced on her Facebook page that she had decided to "quit being a Christian." Father Barron addresses her proclamation and engages this conversation on today's Word on Fire blog post.


I had read only one of the Vampire novels which had made Anne Rice famous; so I wouldn’t have characterized myself as a fan. Nevertheless, I was fascinated when I heard, several years ago, that she had reverted to the faith of her youth, renouncing her atheism and re-embracing a robust Catholicism. I turned with great interest to the two novels she subsequently wrote concerning the childhood and youth of Jesus. I found these books extraordinary, both from a literary and theological standpoint, for they attempted to get inside the subjectivity of the one who is both human and divine. Though my theological mind quarreled here and there with the way this extremely tricky portrayal was carried out, I was generally impressed with Rice’s sure-footed and orthodox manner of presenting Jesus to a contemporary audience. It was clear that the author had done her homework, studying a number of biblical scholars, historians, and theologians, and this scholarship had enabled her to enter rather deeply and convincingly into the person of Jesus. On my vacation last summer, I read Rice’s memoir entitled Called Out of Darkness, a compelling account of the extremely colorful and exuberant New Orleans Catholicism of her youth, the bleak atheism of her middle years, and the joyfully re-discovered Catholicism of the past decade. One of the many fascinating revelations in this autobiography is Rice’s admission that the vampires of her famous series were indirect portraits of her atheist colleagues from the sixties and seventies, people drifting in a kind of spiritual wasteland. After reading these texts, I could be accurately described as an Anne Rice fan. My affection for her only deepened when I discovered that she had recommended one of my own books The Strangest Way: Walking the Christian Path on her website.

And so it was with a good deal of sadness and dismay that I read her FaceBook posting from just a few days ago that, though she will continue as a disciple of Jesus, she is “through with Christians,” through with the church. She can no longer, she explained, tolerate the company of Christians (presumably Catholic Christians for the most part) who are “anti-choice, anti-Democrat, anti-gay, and anti-woman.” Now Anne Rice is a serious and smart lady, and therefore I know that this statement is much more than simply an angry outburst. And I not only understand but also sympathize with her frustration over the coarsening of discourse within Christian circles, which has made Christians seem intolerant and boorish, people in love with the word “no.”

However, what she is proposing is, quite simply, impossible. With complete coherence, Ms. Rice could withdraw from the Gandhi Society, even while maintaining her deep admiration for Gandhi, or she could resign from the Better Business Bureau, even while retaining a commitment to the ideals of that organization. But she can’t leave the church and still cling to Christ, precisely because the church is not a club or voluntary society, but rather Jesus’ own mystical body. When the risen Jesus addressed Saul, who was on his way to persecute the Christian community in Damascus, the Lord said, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” In the twenty-fifth chapter of Matthew’s Gospel, we find Jesus’ great parable of the separation of the saved and the condemned on the last day. To the blessed, Jesus says, “whatsoever you did to the least of my people, you did it to me,” and to the damned he says, “whatsoever you neglected to do to the least of my people, you neglected to do it to me.” The followers of Jesus are related to their Lord as the members of a body are related to the head, for Christ and his church form together, not a society, but a living organism. To say, therefore, that one loves Christ but has given up on his church is precisely equivalent to saying “I love you, but I just can’t be around your body!”

To make this principle more concrete, consider the fact that Anne Rice came to know Christ through the densely-textured world of her New Orleans Catholicism: its art, music, liturgy, stories, and above all, its powerful spiritual personalities. More to it, she experienced the renewal of her faith through the mediation of the liturgy broadcast on EWTN. The point is that the church, with all of its flaws, remains, down through the ages, the vehicle which bears Jesus Christ to the world, just as our bodies, with all of their imperfections, remain the means by which our identities and personalities come to expression. You just can’t discover Christ or stay with him in abstraction from his body. I know that Church people, even of the highest rank, do and say lots of stupid things. I fully realize how deeply scandalous the recent behavior of some priests and bishops has been to millions of Catholics, and I completely acknowledge that certain of the church’s attitudes, behaviors, and statements over the centuries have been deeply harmful. Heck, John Paul II dedicated the last several years of his pontificate to apologizing for the ways that churchmen have caused harm, sometimes greviously, over the past two millennia. But yet, as St. Paul said, “we hold a treasure” in these fragile vessels, and the treasure is Jesus himself.

I’m convinced that it is Anne Rice’s love for Christ that has pushed her to make this move away from the church, but I fear that she is drifting toward the love of an abstract Jesus. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. This means that God entered into our grubby, imperfect world and made it his tabernacle. He continues to do so, precisely through the flawed, compromised, sometimes exasperating body of the church, and therefore the church is where the real Christ is found. Come back, Anne, we need you!

Father Robert Barron is the Director of Word on Fire Catholic Ministries. 

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lisajulia
Thank you Fr Barron. I have tears in my eyes as i read your words. I am so thankful especially for your last sentence. I think it's important for Anne to know that there are *many* who call themselves Catholic who still love her even as she has left us. God Bless you, Father. Prayers for everyone.
Lisa
8/6/2010 2:41:09 PM
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patzerdog
This episode says something about catechesis. It's not enough to teach the gospel. There's a whole metaphysic that in many ways is foundational to even understanding the gospel. Anne Rice, being "smart," has thoroughly soaked up the skepticism of the last several centuries. She would naturally settle into being a protestant of the liberal variety or maybe a UU. When she wrote pornography, I assume it was for the money. When she switched to vampires, she had a living to make also. I suspect she's moving on to a more lucrative market.
8/6/2010 2:44:13 PM
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Darlene
Before I rediscovered my own Catholicism, I became an Anne Rice fan and collected many first editions of her books. I was thrilled when I heard that she had returned to the Church and like Fr. I enjoyed her new writings as well. I will pray for Anne that God will help her through this time in her life and hope that she knows that the Church and many of her fans will be here to welcome her home if she ever chooses to return!
8/6/2010 2:59:58 PM
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lisajulia
Respectfully, patzerdog, placing assumptions on her motives is judgmental and possibly unkind. She has been very clear as to what drove her to leave Catholicism. She needs love and prayers. Father never once insinuated or judged her. We should follow his good example.
PS, i have it on good authority that she has read this article and will be posting it later on her Facebook Fan Page. Thank you again, Fr. Barron
8/6/2010 3:03:59 PM
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J. W. Blakely
This piece goes a little easy for my taste on what profound misunderstandings of Christ's authentic historical teachings (as transmitted to us via the Church)go into statements like calling the Church "anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-feminist, anti-Democrat."

These are not charitable, intelligent and principled reasons for leaving the faith - they are simplistic sloganeering. The venue of Facebook is even more populist and disrespectful to the community she supposedly cares about as she swings like a pendulum in the public fora. I do not begrudge Anne Rice her leaving the Church (plenty of people I love and respect are not only not Catholic but Marxists and atheists) I begrudge her giving into a caricaturized rant that will be used to further fuel misunderstandings about what Catholicism truly is. Her "statement" (if we can dignify such an outburst with that term) showed at best rampant, simplistic misunderstanding and at worst pandering and caricaturizing to the least common denominator.

Fr., with all due respect, if you want to communicate a truer message you should have ended your piece thus: "Come back, Anne, you need the Church!"
8/6/2010 3:33:39 PM
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Shari Hummel
I guess I am not surprised that you believe that Christ is the church, that seems pretty consistent with the history of the Catholic church. I don't think you can actually say with certainty you know exactly what God wants...no telephone in heaven. But in my opinion, Christ is within us. We carry him everywhere. I feel connected to him without a church and being "connected" is subjective. No one can prove that Anne or anyone is else is not feeling the Christ within.
8/6/2010 3:57:41 PM
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Graytigeress
I have to disagree. To be a part of a church, you do not have to be a part of organized religon. The chruch is the people. The people who believe in Christ. Spending time with those people, takeing communion with those people and studying the bible with those people. The early chruches were not what we nowadays would call chruches. Anne Rice is sick of the actions that so-called Christians take in the name of Christ. Jesus accepted and loved everyone, even the man who drove the nails into his hands.
8/6/2010 4:02:08 PM
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Zero
Question, how can you say that it is impossible for one to steer clear from the church, but still love Christ...when the "body" as you call it is extremely diseased. There is an endless amount of hypocrisy in the church and among Christians as we know them today. Going to church is fine, but one mistake and you are an outcast...how is that among the teachings of Christ? Please back this up with scripture if you would..
8/6/2010 4:04:25 PM
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Megan
Hello Fr. Barron, I am not a Christian, but an Anne Rice fan. She did post this link to her facebook page, and I am glad she did. I wish there were more people like you in the world- the way you analyzed her actions and wrote this article is both critical and respectful, and I appreciate your opinion.
8/6/2010 4:05:52 PM
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Kerry Walters
Wow, patzerdog. I can't think of a tone further from Father Barron's reflections. Matthew 7:1 bears re-reading.
8/6/2010 4:12:23 PM
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janice
Very good blog and will remember to pray for her. It is really hard when returning to the church. I did the same and you can get a little down when dealing with the "body of Christ" as I think upon returning you expect alot from other christians. You must keep your eyes on Jesus always or you will get discouraged.
8/6/2010 4:24:03 PM
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DFC
This discussion took me right back to the last two paragraphs of the Introduciton to "The Strangest Way". ...And none of us will be enchanted with the world of Christianity if all we hear about is disputes..." Christianity (like baseball) is thoroughly uninteresting when it is reduced to arguing over rules. I recall being hauled in from the back yard many times to do chores when our game was reduced to arguing. The game is not being played (and Chrisitanity is not being lived) when it is simply fighting about the rules. What a clever trap to think the church (and GOD) depend on us to keep it from being destroyed. I am pretty sure any real act that preserves Christianity originates from the Holy Spirit anyway. All the rest of the stuff we all do and say that breaks down the body of Christ God sees. Despite that He still loves us and calls us back. "Strange" in deed but aren't we fortunate!
8/6/2010 4:57:16 PM
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sarah
i really enjoyed this article, it helps to shed light on the catholic perspective. But i disagree about whether or not u can have a full relationship with God without the church, i believe you can a very full filling relationship with the Almighty, He is every where his believers are. as long as u truley believe he will be there for you.
8/6/2010 4:58:26 PM
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Cristian Rodríguez
With all due respect, Fr Barron, but as an ex-Christian myself, I can't possibly believe Jesus had in mind the current Church. Somewhere along the way things got misunderstood and his word was used for the reason Ms. Rice quite simply mentioned.
8/6/2010 5:30:23 PM
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patzerdog
Kerry and Lisa, you may be right that I should meditate on non-judgmentalism, and maybe more than a bit. I'm sure that when Jesus said, don't judge, he didn't mean "be gullible." But I do find that line hard to find, at times, and perhaps cross to the wrong side.

I distrusted Anne Rice when she proclaimed her move back to Catholicism. It felt to me like a publicity kick-off for a book, and sure enough, the book came. Will the next book be something like "Why I Left the Church"? or "How the Church Abandoned the Gospel"? Phillip Pullman is occupying that spot now with his improved version of the gospel, but there's plenty of room. It's a virtual genre at this point. Whatever the purity of Rice's motives, Mr. Blakeley is right about the intellectual depth of her reasons, and it will be interesting to see where she goes from here with her writing.
8/6/2010 6:46:19 PM
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George Weber
I am a "Cradle Protestant" and spent high school years as a active choir member and active youth ministry member (called Pilgrim Fellowship) in a Congregational Church. Those were joy-filled years in a loving community (part of the Body of Christ). During college years I was not involved in any Christan community, and missed it. I have been a member of the Catholic Church for almost 40 years and it is in the local faith communities where I have experienced the "Body of Christ", over and over again. Prayerful interaction and ministerial outreach are hallmarks of local faith communities. I sadly read the remarks of those who leave as they may never have known the feeling of being among others doing God's Work, despite the organizational blunders and high sins executed by Church leadership over the years.
8/6/2010 7:08:03 PM
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Robert K
To J.W. Blakely,
Your posts have come up in a lot of articles I have read on this website. I beleive you said you were once an athiest, and you signed one of your responses "a Catholic". I just wanted to know if you wanted to share your faith journey with us on this forum.
8/6/2010 9:00:57 PM
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unknown
And for them the words of Isaiah have come true, Though you give ear, you will not get knowledge; and seeing, you will see, but the sense will not be clear to you: For the heart of this people has become fat and their ears are slow in hearing and their eyes are shut; for fear that they might see with their eyes and give hearing with their ears and become wise in their hearts and be turned again to me, so that I might make them well.
8/6/2010 11:51:25 PM
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Anna Amnell
Why reject Cristianity totally? There are also other Christian churches. Anne Rice could become e.g. Anglican.
8/7/2010 6:12:13 AM
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D. Chappell Smith
I pray that the 'scales' fall from our eyes...both those of us in the Church, and those 'outside'.

As much as I would love to fall into line with the criticisms of the Church of today, I must pass a mirror daily. That mirror reminds me of the problem with the Church. The things I struggle with in this culture are the same things Holy Mother Church,through her all-too-human servants struggles with. I find a certain comfort in that She does indeed understand my struggles.

If we want a Church free of hypocrisy, most of us would have to leave.

Praise God that his mercies are new each and every day.

As an aside to Anne...'anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-democrat, anti-woman'? Then, indeed 'tolerance' only works in one direction. Should we then, as a Church, give up our work with crisis pregnancy centers, AIDES hospices, and our homes for abused women? Finally, forgive me, I thought Democrat was only a party affiliation---not a 'church' in and of itself.
8/7/2010 8:14:58 AM
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tana
Her writings were orthodox? I don't think so -- she portrayed Jesus as a murderer/sinner in the first chapter of Christ the Lord: Out of Egypt. The same chapter makes the claim that he performed his first "miracle" as a child, when we all know that his first miracle was performed at Cana. Yes, I know that it is a work of fiction, but it's just as dangerous as The DaVinci Code.

I just pray for her and wish that she had been better catechized so that she could understand the beauty of the Church's teachings.
8/7/2010 8:52:16 AM
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NancyW
I quote my pastor "If The Church is hopless then so am I." I wish Miss Rice in all of her intellectual pursuits of religion had read Luigi Guissani. Maybe she would not be moving toward an abstract view of Christ if she had read him. I share your view of her two books about the life of Christ. I was heartened that she not only was experiencing her faith anew, but sharing it in a way that was focused on the humanity of Christ. That focus gave others the opportunity to do the same. How can someone who has taken this step revert to treating Christ like an abstract diety who is totally unconnected to us.
8/7/2010 9:12:22 AM
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Kari
She seems very Gnostic in her beliefs to me. The belief of Christ as knowledge/a way of life but without the body/matter of the Church.

Funny how gnosticism keeps coming back ala th hydra.
8/7/2010 9:28:40 AM
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Joel McFadden
I went back and reread what Anne Rice has written about her decision and I was struck that her emphasis was on the fact that, after years of trying, she just didn't "fit in" to the Church and she had to conclude, as a matter of honesty, that she just didn't belong. She is not alone in that sentiment. Countless others would tell you the same.

Perhaps Anne Rice will respond to what Fr. Barron has written, but in light of her stated reasons for leaving, I wonder what Anne would come back to? A Church that apparently has no place for her? Probably. Maybe the problem is that the Catholic Church is a little less catholic these days than it might be.

Since the Mystical Body of Christ is made up of human beings, the brokenness of humanity will always be evident, but it seems as though there's precious little evidence that the Church wants to change in response to that brokenness. Apologies are necessary and good, but reform is what people are waiting to see, along with some signs of honest humility on the part of Church leadership. A good sign of that humility would be to actually listen to that Mystical Body of Christ and what voices, such as Anne Rice, might be telling the Church.
8/7/2010 12:22:28 PM
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NancyW
Given her background as a writer, she may have developed a relationship with the "historical Jesus" as Pope Benedict describes in his book Jesus of Nazareth. As we know, that is valid yet imcomplete.
8/7/2010 1:42:39 PM
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Margarita Mariscal
I can only remember how difficult it is to be Catholic and stay Catholic without prayer, discernment of God's will in our lives, and delving into the vast amount of Catholic Literature as a form both of prayer and awareness. I realize not all Catholics, esp. sometimes myself, give a good example of Christ's presence in this world. This is the problem The novelist Anne Rice, I can only venture to say, must be having...
8/7/2010 3:06:05 PM
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Brian Cook
Thank you, Father Barron.
8/7/2010 3:40:05 PM
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MJ
As I read Father's excellent pastoral comments/reflection in his persona Christi Spirit...about Ms. Rice's announcement...I am reminded again why Father's pastoral approach is so very, very important...and it has nothing to do with Ms. Rice or Father or any of us...it is first and last about the Lord God...and the Lord alone!

Take a look at Numbers 20:6-12...it is about the Lord's incredibly harsh penalty (in my mind) to Moses & Aaron (you will not enter the Promised Land or lead my people into the Land of Milk and Honey)...Moses...his faithful servant through so many difficulties...is "zapped" for a "little emotional tirade"...I post only verses 9-12...for the "bottom line: where Moses disrespects the people of God while doing what the Lord told him to do for the people...and the Lord takes great umbrage with Moses disrespecting His people...their souls and their well being belong to God...not Moses...and God is not happy with Moses...or in my understanding with any of us getting harsh with a soul that He claims for Himself...speaking truth is okay...but only in charity and humility. My instinct is to be Moses-like (even worse)...but I am glad that Father has shown me the Christ-like way in this situation.
Pax Christi

9 So Moses took the staff from the LORD's presence, just as he commanded him. 10 He and Aaron gathered the assembly together in front of the rock and Moses said to them, "Listen, you rebels, must we bring you water out of this rock?" 11 Then Moses raised his arm and struck the rock twice with his staff. Water gushed out, and the community and their livestock drank.

12 But the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not trust in me enough to honor me as holy in the sight of the Israelites, you will not bring this community into the land I give them."
8/7/2010 4:10:41 PM
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J.W. Blakely
RobertK,
Yes I was a very devout atheist and now I am a Catholic. Thank you for showing interest in what that story might be about. Your comment inspired me to sit down and try to articulate it in writing this morning. But the more I wrote the more I found that it would not be possible to compact it into such a comment chain. Maybe one of these days soon, if it is germane to the wider discussion, (and once I have finished editing the crude draft I wrote this morning) I'll post a link to my faith story. Maybe a few wandering Internet readers will take interest! God Bless, JWB
8/7/2010 4:48:04 PM
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lisajulia
J.W., i too would be interested in your conversion story. I hope you get time to share it.
Thanks.
8/7/2010 5:16:07 PM
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Joan Geinosky
This new generation has become so hurtful and to see our children push away from the Catholic religion is so disheartening. My husband and I have tried to teach and bring up our children to believe in Christ. Once they have gotten a taste of society they have been swayed. Thanks for all your hard work. I love Word on Fire.
8/8/2010 9:11:32 AM
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Jim
Father Barron wrote, "I know that Church people, even of the highest rank, do and say lots of stupid things. I fully realize how deeply scandalous the recent behavior of some priests and bishops has been to millions of Catholics, and I completely acknowledge that certain of the church’s attitudes, behaviors, and statements over the centuries have been deeply harmful."
My problem with the American Catholic Church is more than the sexual abuse scandal. That scandal confused and frustrated me, because in my own experience raised in the local parish, nothing at all was said about human sexuality and sexual ethics. Only when the scandal broke, I heard about the Theology of the Body, and I had to read it for myself. This after a long struggle with shameful confusion and frustration. I then became more upset and angry with having a sense of abandonment and betrayl. This ontop of not having been catechized nor evangelized at all within the parish. I was left vulnerable to the cultural winds. And after this ordeal of a couple of decades, it really confuses me how some could be counseling abusive priests, relying upon psychiatry to deal with them, when in my experience there was just silence. I have not any trust in the local parish at all. I owe my formation in the faith to listening to EWTN, where I first came across Father Barron. I am still vulnerable to the idea that religion is a subjective preference. I have not much confidence in the American way of picking religious affliation. Its a lonely struggle of individualism seeking belonging that is not stiffling conformist.
8/8/2010 9:38:26 AM
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g
In response to a "quarrelsome, hostile, dis*****tious" Christianity, Rice wrote in her July 28 facebook post: "I've tried. I've failed. I'm an outsider". This inspired some self-reflection & I was immediately reminded of Thomas Merton:

"Do not be too quick to assume that your enemy is an enemy of God just because he is your enemy. Perhaps he is your enemy precisely because he can find nothing in you that gives glory to God. Perhaps he fears you because he can find nothing in you of God's love and God's kindness and God's patience and mercy and understanding of the weaknesses of men.

"Do not be too quick to condemn the man who no longer believes in God, for it is perhaps your own coldness and avarice, your mediocrity and materialism, your sensuality and selfishness that have killed his faith" (New Seeds of Contemplation 177).

Rice's conclusion ultimately seems untenable to me, and I'm not sure we ought to beat ourselves up based on her own "dis*****tious" resignation. But the moment does warrant some pause and self-reflection.
8/8/2010 11:27:36 AM
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Misha Filitov
Exceptional. Very well presented and analyzed. Thank you!
8/8/2010 1:09:44 PM
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Richard
Since 33 A.D. faithful Catholics have lived and died by this principle: We must deny our very selves, pick up our cross and follow Christ...No individual excuses...No rationalizations ...No turning back!
Only fidelity to His One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

When we insist that we want Christ AND abortion, homosexual sex-and-or "marriage" and/or politics that do war against His Gospel of Life, where else do we end up by in denying the Church Christ founded and inserting a Relativist version?

Boston College's Peter Kreeft, PhD, has written 50+ books that would be helpful to Anne Rice or other cafeteria believers.
You can listen and download many hours of "FREE!" ("Free" is good, Anne) presentations on a variety of subjects you that a heart truly "seeking will find" helpful at: www.peterkreeft.com

Finally, Anne. You've given up on the Church several times now. The saints are the ones who fell, got back up and kept getting up.
Don't stay down. Ask God for the grace you need. Then seek out a holy priest who is a living example of fidelity to and love of the Church.
Chris IS Risen!
8/8/2010 2:53:35 PM
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Brian Cook
It's quite possible--nay, extremely likely--that she simply came to believe that the Catholic Church is a hateful cut. She saw something that repulsed her and it repulsed her from the Church. Lately I've been thinking of the Dreyfus Affair and the anti-liberal Catholics who persecuted the Jewish officer with their smear campaign. I can see that those persecutors are among the people who have repulsed people from the Church.

Moreover, many people really do seek Christ and the love and mercy that He offers. I can safely assume that she didn't find Christ's love and mercy. We can hope and pray that she will give the Mother Church another chance.
8/8/2010 7:29:46 PM
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Carl Dyer
I deeply agree with what Father says, yet at the same time Jesus said, "Don't call anyone father for you only have one father and He is in Heaven. Don't call anyone teacher, for you only have one Teacher and He is in Heaven". Maybe this is what Anne is aspiring to do, than follow Religion which is Man made and Patriarchal? Jesus raised the status of women in His Earthly Ministery, but owing to time, place and cir*****stances Jesus couldn't push things too far. Our Lady was the first 'Priestess' ic you look at it, she. carried The Body & Blood of Christ in the 'Chalic' of her womb and when the men were in disbelief in the upper room, it was the women who Jesus appeared to first. As well as this women make up the largest portion of the Church.

Regarding homosexuality all I can say is read Romans Chapter 1. Then also consider what these ancient peoples knew about Genetic make up? It's a tough one !
8/8/2010 8:04:20 PM
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Roberta Young
When I reverted back to Catholicism after living as a pro-choice agnostic for 25 years, I used to get annoyed when I listened to pro-life people on EWTN. I used to wonder why they were still trying to reverse Roe vs Wade? I thought, "We won, they lost, and they should just accept it. Abortion is here to stay." But God changed my heart, and now I am pro-life. My beliefs changed first, but my acceptance of Catholic Church teaching came later. But I started investigating why thee Church taught what it did, and discovered it always had good reasons. I wonder if Anne Rice ever really investigated those reasons. I really doubt it.
8/8/2010 8:46:48 PM
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Agnieszka
To JW Blakely:
Thanks for your comment.
The end message you suggest for A. Rice is way better than Father Barron's plea.
8/9/2010 1:52:28 PM
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Dan Biezaqd
As I read the Fr Barron article, after my initial amazement at his profound interest in someone’s “Facebook page,” I thought of a Pope in the Middle Ages, Boniface I believe, who wrote a “Papal-Bull” stating that salvation came “only” to those who subjected themselves to the Papacy (perhaps that’s where the modern meaning of “Bull” comes from). Also, in the same time frame, there was Pope Innocent (the Third I think), who said that “ALL” worldly power comes from God, and then the power goes exclusively through the Pope, and finally to the kings and nobles of the empire. Back in those times, and in the face of such outrageous statements by acting Popes, I could understand a “thinking” individual leaving the Church (of course there were very few “thinking” individuals back then—fewer perhaps than now—so the Church survived).
The institutional Church, however, is not some drunken Uncle Harry, just let out of prison for molesting altar boys, and now picking fights at the local pub. It is a Pilgrim Ship, an Adventuress of two millennia of encounters with the real world, at time vicious encounters, and so we should expect its originally lily-white garment to be somewhat torn and smelly. For Gods-sakes, how do you expect it to look fighting the Gates of Hell on our behalf, like Harry Potter?
Walker Percy tells of a much more profound New Orleans Catholicism than that described by Ms Rice—a Catholicism seriously flawed but yet gentile, traditional, inviting, and still tough as nails in the face of evil, especially modern evils currently disguised as social progress. Percy’s books, I think, will fortunately outlast those of Ms Rice. Percy, in my view, is the one Fr Barron should be inviting us to read, at least for those of us who don’t like our Christianity smushy (ok, not a word) and sentimental all the time. Fr Barron’s call on Ms Rice to “Come back, we need you” sounds pathetic to me, but perhaps “his” Church has become the pathetic place Rice says it is.
In a few hundred years we’ll see. I predict the Church will reform and come back. I hope it loses some of its self-righteousness when it does so, but I am confident that it will. For, you see, it is “Mother Church,” and, for all its faults, it battles a fierce enemy on our behalf. The “pseudo-christianity” that Ms Rice seeks will die of its own sentimentality.
8/9/2010 5:44:55 PM
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TerryC
I will certainly pray for Ms. Rice.
For those who have suggested that the Church needs to change or that Catholics are unkind for suggesting that we should adhere to the unchanging teachings of the Church I would say that you have an incorrect view of what the Church is.
The teachings of the Catholic Church are the teachings of Christ.
The Church has always taught that homosexuality was disordered. It has always taught that abortion is wrong. These are the teachings of Christ. They can no more be separated from Him that he can be separated from his body the Church.
It is not for the Church to change to conform tothe age, but for us to change the age to conform to God's will.
8/9/2010 6:30:12 PM
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Joan Geinosky
I watched the story that Night Line put on tonight about Ann Rice. I am really sorry for her. I'm not sure what happened with her son, but prayer and staying close to Christ is the forever cure for all. I hope and pray that Ann will once again open her heart and let Christ in. I think she must be feeling quite a bit of pain that only our Divine Savior can cure. Please Ann Change your Heart Soul and Mind.
Can't you feel Christ calling you?
8/11/2010 11:07:30 PM
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Dante
Great, insightful article! Thank you.
8/12/2010 11:28:14 PM
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Luke
I'll admit this touches a nerve with me. Maybe I'm stretching, but Ann Rice seems to be protesting. Is she going to a Protestant church?

I grew up Protestant. I'm a recent (2.5 years) Catholic convert. I live with and in predominantly Protestant circles. I attend a Protestant church with my wife in addition to my parish. I'm surrounded by Protestants (not to mention a few Mormons) who are following close to Christ and yet reading many of the comments here I sense many Catholics would consider them some form of "illegitimate" disciples? I see as much or more genuine love and care for Christ and His work in the world from most of my Protestant friends and family than I see from "bump-on-the-pew" Catholics at my parish. (Of course there are "bump-on-the-pew" Protestants too)

The questions I have - where are the limits and boundaries of the "mystical body" of Jesus? The Roman Catholic Church? The Christian (little-c) church? The baptized? Where do we draw our circles and are they the same circles God draws? I don't buy easy or simple answers to these questions. "The Mystical Body is whatever the Roman Church says it is" betrays the sincerity with which we should approach the *mysteries* of our faith.

There are serious flaws trying to live as a "me-and-Jesus" Christian. I agree with Fr. Barron that it's essentially impossible. The (little-c) church has guarded me from staking my own agenda and concepts as Real Christianity™ Yet I don't believe the Roman Church is the only incarnation of the Mystical Body. If Ann Rice quits the Roman Church for a Protestant church, I don't believe she's making any kind of serious sin. If she is quitting any and all forms of church, I don't believe she'll be able to avoid sin.
8/13/2010 10:57:04 AM
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Carl Dyer
I myself come from Protestant Roots, in Holy Scripture the Disciples complaining to Jesus that there are other people casting demons out in Jesus name. And Jesus said, " Who is for me, is not against me". A warning against sectarianism! My mother was going to become a Roman Catholic, when she was 21yrs old, the Priest told her she could only become a Roman Catholic if she first confessed her parents brought her up in heresy! If this is going to be the answer from Factory Farmed Catholics and Protestants are considered illergitimate? Then let them be *****s for Jesus, He was born out of wedlock too!
8/13/2010 7:58:07 PM
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