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Fr. Barron comments on the HHS Mandate: Anti-Catholic and Un-American
What a perfect message.
When I listened to what you had to say, the only thing I could think of was how easy it is to focus on, or really attack religion, i.e., an easy mark. I guess the new politics is to have many little "victories" so it appears to look like a big one.
I think Obama would have made a great Secretary of State, a fine gift of gab, fine speaker... presidential material? No way. He doesn't even honor his oath of office, to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. Maybe he doesn't know what that is... but then it is so unreasonable to assume anyone in that position would not know what that oath means.
2/13/2012 9:29:16 PM
Thank you for the rousing challenge to Obama's HHS mandate! My question is how do we most effectively resist this mandate?
2/13/2012 9:30:40 PM
The President, the leading representative of the Executive Branch of government, can only be leader as long as he is held in office, and the people give him the power to lead. If he loses confidence due to indiscretions,conflict of interest, breach of national security, or is found to abuse his authority and power, the people have every right to rise up in revolt. "Revolution" means a turning around, and the people have every right to take this course of direction. Revolutions are intended as a corrective response to ensure the will of the people is being represented by their leader. The rights of the people should be protected from capricious, and arbitrary decisions. The judicial branch of government is suppose to oversee this, at the request of the nation's citizens. However, if the judicial branch fails, revolt can be necessary to regain representation of the will and interests of the people.
2/14/2012 12:22:56 AM
Yes! This is exactly what I knew in my heart but couldn't put into words. Thank you, Father Barron!
2/14/2012 12:23:35 AM
Obama blots out the "IHS" moniker in Gaston Hall at Georgetown University prior to his economics speech in 2009. (as it was said,'Apparently, the Name that is above every other name is not permitted to be above Obama.')
His "HHS" package seems to want to be his only cherished legacy.
I want to say that I am shocked, but I am only saddened. Let's pray our next elected officials exercise wisdom not to *blatantly* step on our rights as Americans.
2/14/2012 7:26:56 AM
I was glad to see the overturn of original HHA mandate. Most of you don't want to hear this, but the agenda of the Republican candidates is to delete the middle class and have rich and poor. This is documented in many places. President Obama is a scholar of the Constitution; and we must remember to look at pro-life from womb to tomb. Remember George Bush - each time he ran he said he would overturn Roe vs. Wade. He never did it. Please look at ALL of the issues!! I have prayed about this long and hard and will continue to do so.
2/14/2012 10:51:52 AM
President Obama also made this statement in a 2006 speech he gave on the role of religion in the public square:
"But what I am suggesting is this - secularists are wrong when they ask believers to leave their religion at the door before entering into the public square. Frederick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, Williams Jennings Bryant, Dorothy Day, Martin Luther King - indeed, the majority of great reformers in American history - were not only motivated by faith, but repeatedly used religious language to argue for their cause. So to say that men and women should not inject their "personal morality" into public policy debates is a practical absurdity. Our law is by definition a codification of morality, much of it grounded in the Judeo-Christian tradition."
2/14/2012 11:09:24 AM
This is real interesting what is happening in the US. Right now in Canada we have a debate going that is even splitting abortionists. They have noticed that a great many abortions are carried out under gender circumstances, and mostly by the Asian community in Canada, where a male is preferred as first child over a female. So the suggestion is now to withhold gender from the parents until it is too late, under law, to have an abortion. Abortionist are saying that goes with the territory because it is a woman's choice and always her choice regardless of the reason while other abortionists are saying abortion is good but not if it is a gender abortion.
Of course this is creating even more division. Oh what a wicked and tangled web we weave when we open Pandora's box.
2/14/2012 12:23:40 PM
Where is the evidence that our current President is a scholar of the Constitution? If this is so he is an AWFUL one. Good grief. Right now it seems his only use for the Constitution is as a doormat on which to wipe his shoes. As far as Bush overturning Roe v. Wade - the Executive Branch has no direct authority or power to do so. The only way Roe v. Wade can be overturned is through action of the legislative or judicial branches. The only way a president can directly affect either is to nominate pro-life jurists to courts. He can't even introduce legislation. Separation of powers is inconvenient sometimes, but thank goodness for it or Mr. Obama would have declared himself king and abolished the two-term limit the day after his inauguration.
2/14/2012 12:30:30 PM
I'm not sure if you have seen the other blog postings under this topic, but unfortunately, on 02/13/12, a writer for the Washington Examiner stated that Obama's Chief of Staff, Jack Lew, said that the contraception mandate will NOT be revised further (and provide proof in linked documentation.) Jack Lew stated that the White House had done enough to "appease" the religious critics. In the article they highlight that there is a division in the Catholic Church.
This morning in a meeting, I tried to argue that there is not division in the church and that the Catholic Church remains committed to it's teachings and to it's doctrine. However I was argued with. This was the argument: When you have priests, nuns and Catholics who not only voted for Obama (who clearly pro-choice,) but may vote for him again, there is a devisive problem. Many Catholics don't understand the seriousness of what they are doing wrong. They also don't understand the political games and maneuvers politicians will play, just to get elected. Not only that, that with Catholic Schools (Diocese) and Hospitals accepting federal funding, the church allowed the foot of the government through the doors, by accepting guidance about appropriation and use of the funds. This allowed the government the power to dictate what we can and cannot say, what we teach our children, and how we as a Catholic institution operate. (If you look at the Catholic school books we use the same as the public schools in the area, which are tailored by govt. influences.) I would have to say I agree with these arguments. It was wrong to trust, accept money, and to contaminate those margins. We should always abide by separation of church and state to the greatest degree possible.
What I believe, is that the church as a whole did not heed the warning of Christ which states "Beware of wolves in sheeps clothing." Now we are in a predicament where we must succumb to government influences and be in a position to be dictated to, or do what what should have done to begin with. Clarify those margins again. Take the wolf's clothes off, expose him for the evil intentions that he holds, and put him outside. We have opened ourselves up too much and become too trusting.
This administration and it's followers have shown us they are untrustworthy. Our government leaders are not using public policies which protect and defend our rights and freedoms which this country was founded upon. They are also trampling on existing legislation, by pushing through ammended piece meal legislation on Fridays, and when Congress is not in session, taking too many liberties when nobody is looking.
Now it is time for our Universal Catholic Institiution to respond to the degree which matches the combativeness with which we are being dictated to.
2/14/2012 1:54:42 PM
If this is "secularist totalitarianism" then it is no different to Stalin's Russia or Mao's China or any other state ruled by a secular dictator.
It is a subtle way of saying that Catholicism is the opium of the people.
2/14/2012 8:31:33 PM
Father Barron -- what about the little guy? Your message is right on, and thank you for it. But what about individual Catholics? There are individual Catholics who are employers, owners of businesses, part owners of businesses, etc. -- plus every individual has to have insurance, and states (and the federal government) mandate what coverage insurance companies must provide, which all meanas that lots of individual Catholics, the Little Guy out there who is on his or her own, is forced into teh same situation that the Church is now forced into. I agree its wrong for the Church to be forced to choose between ruinous fines or violating its conscience and principles, but the same holds for individuals. Can the Church stand up for the Little Guy too?
2/14/2012 9:03:42 PM
It appears to me all this conversation about President Obama seems to center around our religious freedom as a nation, pointing to Catholics, as well as individuals of other faiths. Although, this is true and might be a viable response in court to this legislation, it seems to leave off the discussion table the obvious, ie., as a Catholic you should not be contracepting or aborting. And if you are, as the statistics reflect, then you should be in the confessional repenting of your sins, otherwise, you run the risk of eternal damnation. Although, this is tough, it seems to be the moment in time when it would be the most appropriate to voice our Catholic stance, but no one is clearly pointing out to so many individuals willingly participating in both sins.
2/15/2012 4:57:08 AM
While I can appreciate this comment for the purposes of addressing those that need repenting and reconciliation, it ignores the fact that these statistics are a mis-representation of the true facts. The argument from the White house suggests that birth control hormones are taken for contraceptive purposes. They cite division in Catholic church because many aren't following the magisterium. Therefore they are discounting the need to give this another look. In fact these statistcs include (I read the report) that the numbers include all reasons why hormones are given to women (which fall in the same drug category) such as , irregular menses, painful menses, acne, etc. This indicates that Catholic women have followed their Dr's directives, not for the purpose of contraception, and not at the ignorance of the magisterium, but for the purpose of addressing other medical issues for which hormones are prescribed. This DOES NOT indicate a division, as the White House has stated, as much as it does a lack of education, as well as other alternatives and resources provided by the Gynecological field of medicine, and the Catholic Church.
When someone needs repentence, they knowingly turn away from God in rebellion. This isn't the case with these very misleading statistics.
This also points out very clearly that there is a HUGE void in the education of woman of all ages, who belong to the Catholic church, about when it is acceptable to consider use of hormonal therapy, and when it is not.
2/15/2012 4:10:18 PM
Contraceptives are hormones. In women's health, hormones are used to stimulate proper functioning of the reproductive cycle. That is something good. Not all hormone re-placement therapy is wrong.It seems I'm trying to explain to men things about the female system that they don't seem to understand. Is that true?
2/15/2012 8:22:40 PM
Hmm. I admit I am hesitant to regard as "true" the claim that the Founding Fathers were in favor of "robust religion" but rather -- as Jefferson/Madison/Franklin/Adams openly show in their writings -- they were precisely in favor of letting each man be absolute in his own breast, but only to the extent that this absolute-ness does not move on over into what is primary, namely liberal democracy, exactly as Obama imagines it. In other words, Obama is in complete fidelity to the founding fathers, who themselves possessed no fidelity to the Catholic Church and its insistence that the Good and the Bad not be a matter of private significance but always a matter of universal, social and cosmic significance. The founding fathers, sadly, are indeed the cause of the problem.
2/16/2012 5:34:29 AM
If you are so concerned about this Obama move, then maybe the church should not be so mixed up with the state. Maybe just maybe Obama is taking the separation of church and state a bit more seriously than others have in the past.
The Bishops looked unbending and illogical when Obama backed off of his position and modified the proposal and they rejected it anyway. If such ardor and loud vocal criticism were exercised in social justice issues such as poverty that the CC apparently holds, mabye it would not smack of hypocrisy. One good thing I saw here in Florida was that a number of bishops sent word to our governor to stop an execution (which unfortunately did not happen). I commend them for that. I just wish that there were more even handedness in these matters.
If the church institutions have seen a decline in the presence of religious vocations and have had to outsource to non-church people, then maybe the church should do a bit of introspection about what is required of the religious (hint- celibacy).
If you are defending liberty so much, has the church taken a stance on the USA Patriot Act? I am not sure if it has said anything, but my guess is that it has not.
Sorry, but after its initial reaction and getting the proposal changed, the church IMO is looking a bit too much like a contrived victim. It's just my opinion but hey, this America, I'm entitled to it.
If we in the church really held to the teaching of Jesus, we would vote for none of these candidates- Obama and all of his Republican rivals included--even the sanctimonious Santorum. Our society is more like ancient Rome than a shining city on a hill at this point but few would admit it.
It may not sound like it, but I love the Catholic Church. I love it because I can go every morning and hear mass. Or if I arrive late, I can sit there and pray and meditate. God bless the Catholic Church. Forgive my criticism if it seems inpertinent. But it is just the way I see things.
2/16/2012 5:45:17 AM
I appreciate the comments concerning women's health. There are obvious reasons for use of contraceptives that benefit a woman unrelated to preventing birth. However, to suggest that the statistics are false and then to suggest that Catholics are not contracepting to prevent pregnancy seems to me to be putting your head in the sand. I am no statistical expert, but to not look at the lack of attendance at mass, the overwhelming response to Obama in 2008 and forward, the lack of belief in the Eucharist, the dismantling of the Faith in Canada, the disintegration of the Faith in Europe seems to point to greater use of our opportunities to promote the Faith. This platform that has been handed to everyone by the forcing of the Healthcare bill down everyone's throat is the perfect time for all of us, including and most especially the Catholic heirarchy to speak of Catholic Truths, namely that by aborting and contracepting you are morally wrong and risk your eternal salvation. And this most important fact has been left off the table or at best been moved to a spot far removed from the headlines of today.
2/16/2012 7:00:45 AM
I wish this was closed Captioned. It would be important for all to "hear".
2/16/2012 7:18:49 AM
I haven't put my head in the sand, but have suggested that there is bias by the Whiate House for assuming that many woman have walked away from church teachings causing "division," when there is no proof of that, in the statistics they have provided.
"then to suggest that Catholics are "not contracepting to prevent pregnancy" seems to me to be putting your head in the sand."
WHAT I SAID WAS:
"While I can appreciate this comment for the purposes of addressing those that need repenting and reconciliation,"
The above statement was recognizing that there are those who have not followed church teachings, and are in need of repentence and reconciliation, if they have not already done so.
WHAT I ALSO SAID WAS
THE WHITE HOUSE is discounting the need to give this another look. In fact these statistcs include (I read the report) that the numbers include all reasons why hormones are given to women. Therefore the White Houses' argument for reasons to not give it a second look is unjustified, because they cannot provide exact numbers of women who took hormones only for contraception. They provided statistics for hormones taken for all reasons, including those that support life to the highest degree. They are stating the Catholic churchs' "division", is justified by their inflated statistical data, where there is no proof that the majority of these woman acted against their faith. In fact, some of them may have acted in support of the teaching authority of the church.
The bottom line is...don't be so quick to judge when we are being lead into false assumptions by statistics that are being misrepresented as something they truly are not.
2/16/2012 12:04:53 PM
Father Barron is pointing out a fact that I learned in college.
If you study Politics and Public Administration, you are taught that if change is to happen, and be accepted by the people, it must occur in an evolutionary, slower process, not a revolutionary or fast process. In making change in small, slow increments, the change is less likely to be noticed, and the public will be more likely to accept those changes without rebellion, anarchy and revolt. (I remember being afraid when I learned that.) Obama may have studied from some of the same books I studied from.
I believe what Fr. Barron so astutely pointed out, is that there have been too many changes in our country. These changes have worn away at our historical democratic process, as well as our religious freedoms, and how and what we are being taught in this country. This latest attempt at change, namely, the HSS madate, is Obama's boldest move yet.
I believe Obama knows people are unhappy with his rapid push to change the course of the democratic process as we have known it. This is why he is pushing so hard now-he may not be re-elected, and he is making radical changes while he is in office. Obama is not acting in accordance with the peoples' will (I believe), but according to his own bias' and will.
This, by the way is where a nations leader oversteps his moral and ethical bounds. When a leader no longer represents the will of the people, you are more likely to see dictatorship and tyrany. Obama is ignoring the fact that Catholics and those of other Christian faiths don't want to be forced to pay for contraception and abotifacient drugs. These numbers are huge in this country, whether Obama wants to recognize that or not. This is why it is so very important that we ALL stand together and fight this mandate.
2/16/2012 12:51:17 PM
Scott and Carla, it's a common misconception that putting a woman on oral contraceptives will help issues such as Polycycstic Ovarian Syndrome and Endometreosis. What oral contraceptives really do is mask the symtoms of the illness or disease. As a result, women feel less pain and see less external symptoms (such as acne), but the condition goes untreated. As Carla stated, hormones can be used in a way that brings a women's cycles into balance, but when prescribed as birth control they instead put a straight jacket on a woman's natural cycle. What's more, oral contraceptives have been linked to increased rates of breast cancer and cervical cancer. Oral contraceptives are not beneficial for women's health, and from the decline in women's happiness levels over the last several decades, despite increased liberties and equality in the workplace, one might surmise that oral contraceptives and the sexual revolution they've supported aren't good for women's mental and emotional well-being either. See Janet Smith's "Contraception - Why Not?" for more on how birth control pills negatively effect women.
2/16/2012 4:34:55 PM
With the greatest respect, Father Barron, I must say that President Obama's motivation in trying to work out a system of healthcare reform is likely to be neither anti-Americanism nor anti-Catholicism. He has been most willing to listen to and attempt to respond favorably to the concerns of our Bishops. One wishes, however, that our Bishops would spend at least as much energy promoting the need for affordable healthcare as they have opposing objectionable aspects of the healthcare solutions that are currently on the table. God bless.
2/16/2012 8:56:52 PM
The reason why the Church does not compromise with the White House is because compromise is for politics. This is a theological issue. If the Church compromised on every issue it faced than the Church would be a secular organization and would have lost relivance long ago.
I hear arguments about women's right to choose and be allowed do what they want. In that case a woman should have the right to follow her conscious and refuse mandatory contraception. Also, everyone should have the right to freedom of religion. Finally in the case of abortion, remember there is another human being involved. What about their rights and most importantly the right to life.
2/16/2012 10:26:35 PM
Did you listen to the reasons that Fr Barron gave why this bill is Anti-Catholic and un-American.
Pretending to listen to our side just does not cut it.
Providing affordable healthcare is not the Church's duty. The Church's duty is to teach the truth and ensure that Catholics are allowed to practice their faith.
If you want affordable healthcare, then speak to the government.
2/17/2012 12:50:13 AM
Clara. Good Points. I wasn't trying to argue all the benefits or pitfalls of hormone use (which includes Progesterone therapy which prevents miscarriage for high risk pregnancies, which has been a blessing for a large number of hig risk pregnant women and their babies.) I was pointing out that there are beneficial uses which are part of the numbers that have also been drawn into the argument, to provide statistical data for contraceptive use. It is misleading the public by giving the false impression that higher numbers are not following church teachings, when in fact that is false.
2/17/2012 2:38:56 AM
With respect I would suggest another way of looking at this. Perhaps it is not so much that Obama has given a strong push, but instead that the issue was as much pulled forward by the leadership vacuum that has existed in the Church for a generation now. The scandals of liturgical abuse, child abuse, of catholic politicians enacting and promoting pro-abortion and pro-homosexual agenda legislation, and the fact that apparently many Catholic hospitals already provide contraceptive coverage with the full knowledge of their Bishops, all point to a painfully obvious lack of leadership in the Church. I think the case could be made that the sins of omission by the Catholic Bishops for the last 40 years are at least as responsible for this as the sins of commission by President Obama.
2/17/2012 8:13:55 AM
The Obama Administration modus operandi has been seen in the past as one of divide and conquer! Here they are trying to raise the sleeping feminists of the 80's and 90's against the Catholic Church and its teachings regarding artificial contraception. They are dividing people along these lines knowing that there are more women contracepting than not. Statistics show that anywhere from 98% -99% use artificial contraceptives. If that is truely the case than wherein lies the problem? Certainly there is none...either in availability or ability to pay if such a large majority have complete access. Why then create a problem where there is none...if not to defeat religion, specifically the Catholic religion, in the public square. We have a President who has a tongue problem for it is as divided (split)as his nefarious methods of divide and conquer.
2/17/2012 9:50:57 AM
Oh yes, it is that great liberal conspiracy...Obama the divider and conqueror...If there is one thing that is consistent across the conservative Protestant / Cahtolic divide is an almost utter disdain for liberals while giving a pass to Conservatives who seem to favor the military industrial complex-- all in the name of being pro-life. I would love to see some balance.
2/17/2012 10:32:37 AM
Wow guys, those are some wide sweeping paint brushes to paint a picture of what is going on with regard to the mandate and it's direction! If Michaelangelo would have painted like that, we wouldn't have his beautiful artwork we have today.
There are many issues that have been looked at, examined, discussed, fought for and against since the beginning of the Catholic church. Rather than point the finger of blame at the Church, go on the US Catholic Conference of Bishops website to see what their stance is. The problem is, that too often ,church works are being done, but not seen and proclaimed with a loud enough voice. Therefore people don't know it's being addressed, and people are being guided. The great thing today, is there are websites and a wealth of information to see how busy the Catholic church is, how she is leading the people and what is being done about particular issues, like this mandate.
2/17/2012 11:45:45 AM
My take on the right of conscience issue: In the past, laws were made to set a minimum conscience level. (Ok, you may think it's okay to kill someone, but we're telling you it's not.) Now, however, they are trying to set a MAXIMUM conscience level. (We are going to set limits on what your conscience should be and you're not allowed to go below or above this.)
Also, as I understand the "compromise", the Catholic organizations do not have to say they're giving the coverage, but in the end, they will have to pay for it. Am I the only one who has a problem with a president who thinks that you can do anything with a clear conscience just as long as you don't say you're going to do it, or do it openly. (By that token, if I want to hire a "hitman" to kill someone, as long as I don't actually kill the person and all I do is pay for it to be done, then I should have a clear conscience and no legal repercussions.)
I guess "The Buck Stops Here" no longer applies.
2/17/2012 12:12:20 PM
Could we leave all the science, medicine, and politics for just a minute here, and focus? Could we unite in Faith and pray for the one person, Obama, whose name keeps coming up? Jesus would go to the cross again if there was just one woman/one man on this planet. Just you. Just me. To Him, it is all about each person. The child in the womb is all about one person, and how very much one person means to Jesus. We have our backs up about many issues, and they have brought us to this human, Obama. Wow, did he get our attention! Well, let's give Him back to God, write him, phone him and his family, and let him know our Love for him through our Faith in Jesus Christ. When there are objects all over the floor, and a small child is dying in a fire, do we ask God to help us rescue the objects or His child? God Speed!
2/17/2012 1:38:31 PM
I keep reading sweeping over-generalizations-this might help...
The buck does stop here-
This is on the USCCB website:
Bishops Vow to Fight Coercive HHS Mandate
On February 10, the Catholic bishops of the United States called for a renewed effort to change the HHS imposed mandate that violates religious liberty.
Read the latest ACTION ALERT
CLICK HERE to personalize your message to Congress now!!
Cardinal-designate Timothy Dolan, president of the USCCB, sharply criticized the decision by the Obama administration in which it "ordered almost every employer and insurer in the country to provide sterilization and contraceptives, including some abortion-inducing drugs, in their health plans....Never before has the federal government forced individuals and organizations to go out into the marketplace and buy a product that violates their conscience. This shouldn't happen in a land where free exercise of religion ranks first in the Bill of Rights."
He urged Catholics and the public at large to speak out in protest. Watch his video & then take action today!
See the impressive list of links to the bishops' statements
2/17/2012 1:48:12 PM
This is offered on the ACLJ website....over 64,000 people have signed...
DO something about this. Faith without works is in vain!!
The Obama Administration has launched an all-out assault on people of faith. The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) is forcing religious institutions – such as religious schools and hospitals – to provide abortion pill coverage, sterilization, and contraception in their insurance policies for employees.
This mandate is not only pro-abortion, it forces religious groups to violate their deeply held religious beliefs. It also violates the free exercise of religion guaranteed by the First Amendment and the conscience rights of millions of Americans.
Stand with the ACLJ now and demand that President Obama and HHS rescind this pro-abortion mandate. Send a message that religious liberty must be protected by signing this critical petition today.
2/17/2012 1:58:13 PM
HERE IS ANOTHER GROUP: (DO YOU FEEL THE BUCK STOPPING YET?-THIS IS HOW IT STOPS)
The "Obamacare" mandate targets Catholics & destroys American freedom
Please sign you Pledge to Fight Obamacare
Obamacare's persecution against the Catholic Church must stop. That's why I'm writing you this urgent alert – to ask you to sign a special...
Pledge to Fight Obamacare
As you know, the U. S. Department of Health and Human Services (HSS) wants to force Catholic institutions to provide contraception, sterilization, and abortion pills. They're basically saying:
"Violate your conscience or pay heavy fines and go bankrupt."
It's unconstitutional. Socialistic. And no compromise will fix it. The "Obamacare" mandate has unleashed a religious persecution in America, putting true freedom at risk.
At least 178 Catholic bishops have vigorously condemned the mandate.
But if you and I don't peacefully fight back, this persecution will only get worse. That's why I'm inviting you to take immediate action by signing a...
Pledge to Fight Obamacare
Those heavy fines levied against God-fearing Americans will reduce us to a state of dhimmitude. Yes, dhimmitude is the second-class status Christians suffer in Islamic lands. And it's not ealistic to think this persecution will just go away by itself.
Because the root problem is socialist Obamacare. It puts government above God.
So, I hope you'll help me in 4 ways:
Educate: It's important to know why socialist healthcare is incompatible with Catholic teaching. Here is a very good educational resource: Socialist Intervention in the Private Sector is Not True Health Care Reform
Pray: Let us call upon the protection of Saint Michael the Archangel to help us and defend us in this battle. I encourage you to say this prayer every day.
Motivate: Talk to your friends, family, coworkers, and neighbors. Ask them to oppose the new religious persecution unleashed by Obamacare. You can share this TFP statement: Confronting Religious Persecution in America: Neither Apostasy nor Dhimmitude!
Also, please forward this email to as many God-fearing Americans as possible.
And don't forget to sign your pledge to...
Thank you for taking a stand for God's rights at this historic moment,
Fighting the good fight,
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Prayer to St. Michael the Archangel
Saint Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray: and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into hell Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
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2/17/2012 2:07:55 PM
Thanks for sharing all those resources Carla! They look like good tools to help stop stressing and start acting.
2/17/2012 2:30:38 PM
If this issue is accommodated now, how long before these people decide that "freedom of worship" is just a quaint, medieval practice that needs to be snuffed out as it interferes with the building of "progressive"society?
2/17/2012 4:42:44 PM
February 16, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Six pro-life activists, including one Catholic priest, were arrested this morning in front of the White House while holding a peaceful prayer vigil in protest against the Obama administration’s birth control mandate. They were released shortly thereafter, after paying a $100 fine.
The six were arrested on a charge of “disobeying a lawful order.” The priest explained that while it is legal to hold protests in front of the White House, protesters are not allowed to remain stationary, including if they kneel down and pray......
“Occupy Wall Street protesters have been occupying federal property for months, but when we kneel in prayer, the police are called in and we are arrested,” Father Wilde said. “We knew that was the risk when we gathered today, and we will do it again regardless of the risk. What people of faith – of every faith – need to do now is stand with us.”
THIS IS THE LAST TIME PEOPLE KNEELED DOWN AND IT WAS ALLOWED and ACCEPTABLE-
"...chant out the 'adhan,' the call to worship, to folks kneeling on prayer rugs on the west front lawn.."
There was much to be said about this day of prayer on the search engines I went to. Many think this is not okay to allow for this type of prayer for Muslims, and then cancel the National day of Prayer on 911. Now this arrest....
2/17/2012 5:01:34 PM
Fr. Barron I did as my Bishop requested and wrote the White House and my two senators and expressed my dissaproval of the mandate. But I did get to thinking what if I worked for a Jeovah Witness and they expressed the same outrage at providing Insurance coverage for Blood Transfusions and were allowed to opt out of providing that coverage because of thier religious beliefs. Should that be allowed also when blood transfusions could save the life of my loved ones or myself. Just posing this question to think about this issue in a broder since of what is religious liberty and what is mandating my beliefs on someone else or having thier beliefs effecting my life.
2/18/2012 10:39:28 PM
In this case it is the Catholic Church that is practicing totalitarianism. They would deny their employees, who may not be faithful Catholics, access to contraception. Imposing faith on others is not faith, it is a dictatorship.
2/19/2012 10:21:26 AM
Anthony and Chris,
Your question and statement are about religious and civil liberties. In this society, just because we don't allow citizens to go out and shoot and kill others, does not mean it is an imposition of our liberties, or we are ruled by a dictatorship, right? Your concerns both have lines of deliniation that do not support life. Access to contraception and failure to provde access to necessary blood transfusions can lead to the same end result. They don't support the life of another, or they do harm, and take a life. By choosing not to support contraception, the Catholic Church follows God's directive to go forth and multiply. This is in support of life, and has no result in taking life, or valuing one life over the other. The medical community has taken a hippocratic oath to "first do no harm, as well." The force of all people, including doctors who are employers, to go against the hippocratic oath, is unconscienable, and will change the course of how we value the lives of one another, in the future.
2/19/2012 11:30:14 AM
Carla if your politics were consistent, you would be okay with a Christian Science employer denying any health care coverage to a Catholic employee. Don't confuse your Freedom of Religion with the imposition of your political will on those who do not share your views. Your kind of Catholic would not access contraception. Others who do
follow God and who go forth and multiply may do so using their God given intelect; thoughtfully seeking to follow God's plan.
2/19/2012 2:07:19 PM
Lets be clear that I'm against the HSS mandate. Even the name "madate" implies imposition, which is something I'm against. The imposition in this argument clearly lies with the government, and not with those that stand with the Catholic church and her teachings. Those who are Catholic but don't follow her teachings are in sin, unfortunately, and should evaluate their failure to be obedient to her teachings, which is to not use contraception and have abortions. Natural family planning has been approved by the Catholic church for a long time, for couples to exercise their intellect, and will to follow God's plan. However the church does not support contaception or abortions. Feel free to contact your local Diocese for more information. They are always there to help make important decisions, and guide couples and individuals so they don't fall into sin.
2/19/2012 3:51:54 PM
The institution of the Catholic Church is always a dicy topic and with the disappearance of the "Catholic" influence, visable priests and nuns, it becomes even more difficult to mix politics and religion. That's why it is very important to express the Catholic belief clearly and to the point, not to mix words. However, this has not been done to my surprise...anywhere. Most if not all of anyone's argument surrounds the religious liberties of being an American. This might be true and prove to be a good argument, but where are the Catholics who rely on Catholic teaching to guide them and nothing else? Is it the case that Catholics believe contraception to be morally wrong because Jesus said to be fruitful and multiply?
2/19/2012 4:16:58 PM
I think that if one is aware that working for JW means not getting blood transfussion as part of the insurance then they can always take that as a separate insurance or they choose not to work at JW.
And this is the whole problem with the mandate. Those who work for the Catholic Church and want to have insurance for contraception can always get that separately.
2/19/2012 6:08:01 PM
Chris Rudolph, you so completely missed the point.
The Catholic Church is not imposing anything. Quite the contrary. It is the government who is being totalitarian by forcing the Church to practice something that is abhorent to her beliefs.
The Church is not preventing people who want to contracept to do as they please. They just will not provide money so that they can procure this evil.
They are more than free to take up a separate insurance if they want.
2/19/2012 6:14:54 PM
Just a clarification. We are not a democracy, rather a representative republic ruled by laws and men.
2/19/2012 8:01:00 PM
Does this sound like a democracy?
"Are you aware that We The People are being denied our constitutional right to an Article V Convention to propose amendments, despite a whopping 400+ (or more) Article V applications from the state legislatures of 49 of all 50 states? Only 34 (i.e. two thirds) are required. So why has Congress ignored the Constitution?"... Friends of Article V Convention
Despite the history of the United States, people who want to enforce their ideologies upon the masses, are finding loopholes around the US system of checks and balances.
Our Congressional representatives and the judicial system at this point can't even stop the madness.
We no longer have a democracy. Especially when you attempt to force Catholics to pay for contraception and abortifacient drugs.
It's called a dictatorship. A dictatorship often uses this type of force: "You will do it because I say you will." If you don't, you will be heavily punished with fines and pressure to conform.
If I didn't pay my taxes because it pays for abortion and contraception that goes against my core beliefs, the IRS would be after me, and likely seize my property, and may even press charges against me.
That is the tyranny of dictatorship, and not a democracy.
2/20/2012 10:17:29 AM
"So let us work together to reduce the number of women seeking abortions, let's reduce unintended pregnancies. (Applause.) Let's make adoption more available. (Applause.) Let's provide care and support for women who do carry their children to term. (Applause.) Let's honor the conscience of those who disagree with abortion, and draft a sensible conscience clause, and make sure that all of our health care policies are grounded not only in sound science, but also in clear ethics, as well as respect for the equality of women." Those are things we can do. (Applause.)"
this is the transcript from the obama speech at ND and the conciousness issue. It really doesn't say that he is for a conciousness clause, I think there is a ton of "wiggle room"
here in this speech.
2/20/2012 10:38:15 AM
Although the discussion is centered on the HHS mandate, I believe the deeper issue is our country's denial of God in our lives. It started when we removed God from public schools. Is is coincidence that that is when teen pregnancies went sky-high? Or when kids started bringing weapons to school (and USING them!)? Now you can't even get into most schools without going through the same kind of security we find at airports, police stations, etc. It feels to me like we said "God, we don't need you" and God replied, "Oh no? Try it on your own and see what happens!"
But back on topic...I agree with Fr. Barron that our founding fathers at least had moral values, regardless of their religion (if any). We seem to have lost a sense of morality as a country.
2/20/2012 3:30:08 PM
This comment encompasses the WOF commentaries on the HHS mandate and the so-called "enthusiasm" and "joy" of Cardinal Dolan of New York. Had Bishops, Priests, and Deacons regularly preached and taught often and intelligently on the Church's teaching on artificial contraception, abortion, and sterilization perhaps there would not be so many Catholics confused and unsupportive right now. Far too many of the clergy love to shake hands and smile rather than to speak the truth in love, as hard as that may be. By the way, I was looking on the Word on Fire website for evidence of a reasoned teaching on artificial contraception, and I haven't been able to find some. Would someone point the way. Father Barron's explanations are so insightful!
2/20/2012 4:05:43 PM
Here is the USCCB website Mission staement for NFP:
Helping couples to deepen conjugal love and achieve responsible parenthood is part of the Church's total pastoral ministry to Catholic spouses. Fulfillment of this ministry includes both education and pastoral care. This means "instilling conviction and offering practical help to those who wish to live out their parenthood in a truly responsible way" (Familiaris consortio, #35).
In every Diocese that I'm aware of there are NFP referral resources where you can go to take classes. There are also home study programs available. There are effective resources available for married couples.
Here is the link:
2/20/2012 10:05:16 PM
Here is the text of Pope Paul VI's Humanae Vitae
Here are two good articles on the vindication of Humanae Vitae and Contraception -Why Not?
2/21/2012 1:33:25 AM
Maria, as an employer the Catholic Church already does a lot of things it does not believe. For example, under Federal law an employer cannot not discriminate. Yet, if the Catholic Church had its way, it faithfully would.
2/21/2012 1:32:32 PM
The mandate is asking the Catholic church, with her thousands of years of wisdom, to violate and turn away from her foundational beliefs. The Catholic church cannot go against God's directives....not for the individual, not for the state, not for the Federal government. There is no way around that. If I recognize God's laws written in my heart, I don't deviate. I can't. The risks are too great at alienating God. The government is asking the church to violate her conscience. She can't, without turning away from God. She can't and she won't. The government often demands, manipulates, fines, imprisons and terrorizes to get it's way. The answer will be the same from the Catholic church. In this society, we all need to respect that. We need to recognize that it is sinful on society's behalf to ask/demand that the church to turn away from God. The Church is married. The married person who respects the spiritual bonds of matrimony, does not turn away from her spouse. Not for money, life, property or prestige......her bond is eternal, and she realizes that even death is not the end......
2/21/2012 4:18:25 PM
I will add and suggest that the Christian Church, and all of it's denominations, end it's cooperation with any evil the government has offered in temptation. To err is human. Turning away in grace from cooperating with evil is not wrong. It is something that I pray for often, when I see errs of how the church unecessarily opens herself up to cooperate with the intrusion of the Federal Government, unecessarily. The government has repeatedly shown in recent history that their greed has mislead them to very apparent evils. Why would we cooperate with that?? The Christian Church (not just catholics)needs to stop cooperation on all levels-the US Level, down to the schools, hospitals and individuals, and take account and rectify how they have cooperated with the government. The government is trying to hurt us, through making us turn away from God. It is not acceptable. Lent is an excellent time to re-evaluate our consciences in these matters on all levels. How have we, as a Christian Community, cooperated with evil, and how should we stop doing that?
2/21/2012 5:13:57 PM
Fr. Barron does a wonderful job. I would like to add that the founding Fathers were heavily influenced by John Locke who just happened to have been influenced by a catholic Jesuit priest named Suarez. The problem the founding fathers faced was the "Divine Right of Kings" argument. Every good gift comes from God and since the king has the power it must come from God and therefore whatever the king does is his right to do so unless he does that which is grossly immoral and violates the commandments of God. I paraphase a lot here but that's basically the argument. The only principle that is equally as powerful is that God has given each man intrinsic worth and each human life is a gift from God and not to be thrown away lightly. That notion is at the core of catholic teaching about the value of each person. And so the Founding Fathers borrowed a lot of catholic theology disguised in John Locke's language.
2/22/2012 12:34:21 PM
I miss the Catholicism that I grew up with, that emphasizes charity and education.
I wonder, sometimes, how those goals can completely be missed in the fight against abortion.
I also wonder how a religious organization can claim tax exemptions from the federal government and then refuse to play by the rules of the land.
2/22/2012 11:15:46 PM
I would like to comment on Father Barron's observation on the gradual change of legislation, and offer an explanation of how that may be happening. Government computer data bases are very sophisticated now. They can now think, utilizing all data at their disposal. Computers can also predict, such as predicting movements in society, voting behaviors, etc. The government has access and ability to form legislation based upon a national, state local and individual level response. It combines huge amounts of data (US census bureau, Dept. of labor statistics, and the Americorp volunteer huge data base)to predict outcomes for certain legislative moves. Through prediction analysis the government can move societies in a certain direction through changing legislation. The data collected, measures the responses, behaviors and voting patterns of it's citizens. It's like turning the heat up on the frog in the boiling pot. If you do it slowly enough they won't notice. Through computers, they have figured this out. If legislation is changed slowly and methodically, then you will have less resitance from the people. Theat is why there is a huge push for "information gathering." Everytime you turn around anymore, you are asked your opinion, or you are asked for information. Well, this data is being collected to help the government move you, where they want you to go.....
Once you know this, you can feel okay about not participating in the next questionaire or opinion poll you are asked to take! It's a good way to say "No I won't participate with this maneuver to control me-I will protect the free will that God has given me!" It's good to recogize the Holy Spirit and move when God tells you to move. Don't just move when the president tells you to move and respond-that is a recipe for disaster. Remember to tell yourself "God has given me free will."
2/23/2012 3:44:12 PM
Catholics don't use birth control?
Does the pill have other uses than for birth control?
How many Catholics support the health mandate?
Do Catholic institutions like universities and hospitals hire non Catholics?
If a woman is raped is it moral to deny her emergency contraceptives?
Just imagine if Scientology ran a hospital but denied mental health care or Jehovah Witness hospital that denied blood or organ transplants, and still their are Christians that would deny all medical coverage.
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Secular totalitarianism? How about Catholic totalitarianism?
2/24/2012 6:38:58 AM
1) Catholics don't use contraception if they are being obedient to Catholic teaching.
2) Yes. It is called hormonal therapy, not contraception. Hormonal therapy can be supportive of life.
3) The Catholic church does not believe in "pubic confession." Catholics should to do an individual examination of conscience to answer that question.
5)Catholics don't support the use of abortifacient drugs.
Catholics fully embrace free will! If someone has wandered away from Catholic teaching, they are always welcomed back, and their confession will be heard when they are ready. Nothing is forced, and there is no totalitarianism.
2/24/2012 8:41:15 AM
I didn't have time to get into this earlier, however with the issue of the Catholic church hiring non-Catholics, the Catholic church does not discriminate in it's hiring practices. However, it is not the practice of the Catholic church to make exceptions for individuals who don't follow the church's foundational beliefs. If the potential employee feels strongly against one of the Catholic churchs' foundational beliefs, that person can choose to work elsewhere.
Typically, most companies do not and cannot cater to the "personal individualistic needs" of employees, unless it is life supporting, like daycare. Lets say a company has a policy of men not having long hair past their collar. If the person really wanted to work there,and he was informed of the policy that long hair is not allowed, then he needs to cut his hair. A change in the behavior of the person (if he decides to grow his hair out after he was hired), does not change the company policy, unless the company allows it, and decides to change policy. the Catholic Church has not and will not change their policies, because it is tied to a foundational religious belief to support life. If employees want birth control, the Catholic Church is not the place for them to be employed. Go elsewhere, right?
2/24/2012 12:01:42 PM
Well said, Fr. Barron! So, how do we 'fix' this mess, considering the big 'O' has a trillion dollars in his re-election campaign chest and most of those who follow you, may desire to replace the rug that's been pulled out from under us, replant the Bill of Rights, but feel so insignificant and helpless?
2/25/2012 12:05:56 PM
More on the gradual secularization of religious institutions. I have noticed this at the Catholic school my daughter attends.
I began looking for outside ties and influences that could be causing this. I noticed something strange about data collection at the school, as well as grant monies. They were both tied to the same Foundation. A foundation that is also an Obama campaign contributor. The name is the Bonner Foundation. This Foundation also provides grant monies to Notre Dame. Coincidence? I don't think so. In fact they supply grant money to the The Center for Religious Inquiry.
(CFRI) is a non-profit educational organization with headquarters in the United States whose primary mission is to encourage evidence-based inquiry into paranormal and fringe science claims, alternative medicine and mental health practices, religion, secular ethics, and society. CFRI is dedicated to promoting and defending science, reason, and free inquiry in all aspects of human interest.
Religion, ethics, and society
The Center promotes, through its connection with Committee for the Scientific Examination of Religion, critical inquiry into the foundations and social effects of the world religions. Since 1983 it has focused on such issues as fundamentalism in Christianity and Islam, humanistic alternatives to religious ethics, and religious sources of political violence. It is also the home of its affiliated organization, the Council for Secular Humanism, publisher of Free Inquiry magazine, a bi-monthly journal of secular humanist thought and discussion.
From my limited abilities to investigate, there is definite encroachment and infiltration of Catholic institutions tied to the US Federal Government.
Through my view, I have found a link through data collection and Government funding to infiltrate and directly affect human behavior in religious organizations.
2/25/2012 1:24:46 PM
Companies allow for “personal individualistic need” especially when it comes to religious attire. Turbans and beards for Sikhs and head covering for Muslims. Companies are somewhat flexible. I think however equating grooming requirements in the same vein as what should be covered by health care is not even close. Health care and grooming is not the same thing.
2/26/2012 6:28:48 AM
According to the Catholic Church aborting and contracepting are wrong and sins. If you have done or participated with anyone to do either one you must confess your sins to a priest privately to be forgiven. If not you are risking your eternal salvation. These and other truths of the Catholic Church are enough to sustain us on this journey to our home, however, we continually look for the answers to our questions in others and the world, while the crease separating good and evil is inside each one of us. So, I suggest to everyone to get right with God, not one time and forever, but once a month visiting the confessional. Although, much if not all of the above comments have been good, but none of it or anything you do will get you into heaven, except a spotless soul.
2/26/2012 7:34:08 AM
if all catholics said the rosary every day as requested by Our Lady of Fatima, we would see a change. Lucia, one of the visionaries of Fatima said there is no problem the rosary cannot solve.Why are we from heaven?Parents, if your children have fallen away from the faith,start the daily family Rosary.
Thank you Fr, Barron
Catholics,keep the faith, in all issues.
God bless you all,
2/26/2012 2:33:03 PM
As always, Fr. Barron is insightful and has the truth spot on. But there aren't 2 forms of liberalism. There's liberalism on the one hand. But we're not seeing that now. This is socialism. Liberalism is not totalitarian. Socialism is. Liberalism is not unAmerican. Socialism is.
3/3/2012 11:13:40 AM
Fr. Barron. Thank you for that smart commentary.
Why can't the US governement offer those kinds of insurances and let people choose which insurance they will pay for... Why "force" institutions to give a certain type of insurance. Secular totalitarianism that's why. It is ludicrous. "Freedom of choice"
3/10/2012 8:24:44 PM
Thank you Father. It is a truth, I can pay for my own hormone medication, and did when it was necessary for medical, not contraceptive, purposes. What I cannot do as a Catholic is continue to support contraception, abortion, or any other anti-
Catholic anti-religion gov't laws and policies. I will not pay the taxes that finiancially support this sort of thing. See you in jail!!!
3/14/2012 8:57:56 AM
Mark my words. If Obama gets in for a second, this is only the beginning of our totalitarian state.
3/25/2012 9:05:48 PM
Once again , well said Father.
I admire your patience with whom so many you give your time and love for which by their own comments the amount of true love seeking and time invested in Jesus is obvious in their comments.
I read this entire conversation,and what I realized is that their is nothing new here for a loving practicing Catholic to discover that they should already know.
With that said and hoping this post gets approved :)
Anyone who truly wants to see the truth I would suggest a great place to start is Tal Brooke's One World, but only after you've spent a minimum of 4000+ hours in study, piety, and action :)
Once again, I agree with our current Pope Benedict the XVI : Come, Jesus come !!
4/11/2012 5:08:51 PM
Yes! As Fr. Barron says, Power in a democracy should not be concentrated - economic, political, or cultural. But, shouldn't we ask ourselves who holds and exercises these "powers"? The president Obama? The "majority" in congress? What about the economic power? Corporations? Financial institutions?
There's a lot of "power" going on in the USA. Some of it is more "public" - like government - and some of it is much more subtle - like corporations.
4/18/2012 2:53:44 PM
So True. So true
5/25/2012 1:17:33 PM
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